Post by Th€W0lfp@ck$høw (CLub-Gamer) on Oct 20, 2008 8:45:55 GMT -5
that's all this is likely to be, if it does "be": A spin-off. Where could it possibly take place in the timeline? At the end, where Hyrule's either a destroyed, barren land, or flooded and in the form of the great sea? Nowhere else would make particular sense, unless it takes place during the so called "Fierce war" from OoT. It has to go somewhere after all, I mean, I've even got Freshly-Picked: Tingle's Rosy-Rupee-Land in my timeline...
Its suposed to go on after Zelda: WW and Phantom Timeglass. Its when Zelda and Link gets to a totaly new world. They make a new kingdom there, but at the same time, evi lpowers awakens Ganondorf to life. That my friend would be the last chapter in the series and would make room for the time BEFORE the flood. And it wouldnt be a SPIN-OFF, all MMORPGS at the market that is evolved from other games/series/movies do never let you play as the main character(s), still theyr not considered spin-offs...
They make a new kingdom there, but at the same time, evi lpowers awakens Ganondorf to life.
WW/PH timeline: Ganondorf dead. Turned to stone. Bottom of Hyrules area of the Great Sea. Assuming this "new kingdom" isn't right next to there, how do "evil powers" revive Ganondorf, in Hyrule, at the bottom of the sea, from a kingdom several thousand miles away?
If you're going to bring a villain back from the dead after PH, make it Vaati. Who never actually died. Oh wait, Four Sword shrine: Hyrule. Hyrule: flooded.
How about Skull Kid instead then? Oh wait, portal betwen Hyrule and Termina: Hyrule. Hyrule: flooded. That, and they're in alternate timelines.
That excuse can also be used for pretty much anything... Aghanhim: Alt. timeline. Dethl: Alt. timeline. Onox: Alt. timeline. Veran: Alt timeline.
In fact, the only major villain you could use is Dark Link, but that wouldn't work because he gets created by Ganondorf. Well, there's Twinrova, who could also potentially create him... actually no, they're dead. Dead: Needs reviving. Anyone who would want to revive them would rather have Ganondorf revived, but he's at the bottom of a Hyrulean sea. Then again, that's also where Twinrova died: Hyrule. Hyrule: flooded.
(In case you hadn't realised, I'm actually having fun trying to prove your theory wrong).
In this case, the only possible thing for Nintendo to do is create a new villain to use. Which, since they've already used up all the cliché ideas, unless they use an alien invasion (Aliens: Futuristic, Zelda: Medieval), or a giant evil rock that contains some kind of evil spirit (Simply an epic fail)... Or they create an evil tree to rival the Deku and Maku trees (It'd be more of a dungeon boss than an endgame boss anyway), then... THERE IS NO VILLAIN.
'sides, if you're going to do a game where you don't play as Link, on an uncharted and unknown landmass, where you design your character, it'll have to take place several thousand years after, which pretty much screws up where that can go. 'Cause any evil natural things would have been dealt with by then, presumably by Link. And since they'd all be descendants of Princess Zelda and the Hero of Winds, they'd meet a "pure heart" kind of idea, which makes them immune to evil. 'Sides, you get the idea. It won't happen.
Post by deathbasket on Oct 20, 2008 15:35:36 GMT -5
Why is this all about the WW timeline? WW Sucked. WW Can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. Now what about the TP timeline? TP supposedly is on a separate timeline to WW, but they both take place around the same time. TP: Hyrule not flooded. And anyway, Ganondorf is eternal, as is Link. If one of them is destroyed, they are reincarnated when the other comes to power again. There will never truly be an ending to either of them. And, being covered in stone and under a load of crushing water doesn't seem to be the ending of Ganondorf does it? He broke out of the Sage's seal, that's a little stronger than stone in my opinion. Even if all that still sounds bad, Termina is possible. If you noticed, the Hero of Time's story was unfinished; he went to Termina, saved the land, as per usual, then "OMG WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED?" There is still a part missing after Termina. And then again, who says it has to fit in a timeline at all? I mean, just cause Link is in it doesn't mean it's in the Zelda timeline, if that was true, would you say SSB was in the Zelda timeline? Which would also mean Pokemon, Mario, Donkey Kong... all in the same timeline. Well actually, who needs timelines at all? OoT and MM, direct links between those, WW works better as it's own game. WW Sucked. The only Zelda games I'll ever need are OoT and MM. For me they are the two best games ever, and probably always will be. It seems we can only dream of a multiplayer Zelda game in this style, but if we supported this idea, it could happen. IT COULD HAPPEN.
Post by Sesu Reinoruzu on Oct 20, 2008 19:34:31 GMT -5
Sounds just about right, no timeline, doesnt have to include Link at all, it could be set in Hyrule (New Kingdom) and there is an evil power yadda yadda, Link and Tetra go to a different land to fight this evil but its minions still leek to the new kingdom. So basically.
Link: Gone Tetra: Gone Evil: Fighting Link Minions: Spreading over the world
WW Sucked. WW Can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
opinionlol Jokes aside, WW was a good game, not the best, but good. Also, if it wasn't good, why does it have a direct sequel? And opinions aside, Aonuma confirmed it to happen, and used it as proof for the split timeline.
And anyway, Ganondorf is eternal, as is Link. If one of them is destroyed, they are reincarnated when the other comes to power again. There will never truly be an ending to either of them.
Meaning there's an eternity of games with a new Link being born and about 10-20 years before Ganon/dorf comes back, in a revival... process... thing? In other words, Zelda will have a dull plot for the next 20 or so games. Great.
To actually disprove you though, I need Wind Waker, which you've said is the game you're going to ignore... But I can use aLttP instead. But anyway in both games, a Link gets born before Ganon/dorf's back in power. He ends up being expected to kill him, even though aLttP's Link originally wants to just kill Aghanim, save the Princess, and avenge his Uncle, WW's Link just wants to save his sister, kill a giant bird, and get back home. They end up having to fight an uncrowned evil king. Eventually, either Ganon's minions will all die from Link's slaughtering of them, or natural causes. Or stupidity. If that's the case, then there's noone to revive him. Either that's the case, or Hyrule gets overrun with Ganon's minions who killed everyone by ganging up on them, and the citizens' inability to fight. Meaning the monsters would eventually die of overpopulation anyway. This would mean Ganon wouldn't have an empire or kingdom to run, let alone have achieved a goal that makes sense, which even though he is, would just prove him insane.
And, being covered in stone and under a load of crushing water doesn't seem to be the ending of Ganondorf does it? He broke out of the Sage's seal, that's a little stronger than stone in my opinion.
True, magic's harder than stone. But Ganondorf was turned to stone at the end of WW for the sake of censorship so the game could keep it's rating at a universal level, of E/3+, or whatever the heck else depending on where you are. Let me review that for you: Turned to stone. Stone dead.
The other thing though: Being trapped underwater... Water summoned by the Goddesses. ie, stuck there until someone wishes it to be gone, to the Goddesses of Hyrule.
Even if all that still sounds bad, Termina is possible. If you noticed, the Hero of Time's story was unfinished; he went to Termina, saved the land, as per usual, then "OMG WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED?" There is still a part missing after Termina.
Well then, it's a possible position for Zelda: Wii, isn't it? Still, The Bomers (Theory group, don't ask) say the Happy Mask Salesman likely knows the portal between Termina and Hyrule, in fact, since he says "I've been watching you", right at the beginning of the game, that pretty much proves that.
Then again, he was in OoT, then MM, he'll probably be in Zelda: Wii if it's a sequel to MM. Though it's more likely, to be honest, to be a sequel to TP. Or PH, but you'd ignore that.
I mean, just cause Link is in it doesn't mean it's in the Zelda timeline,
14 games. 6 Alt. versions. 3 Spin-offs. 1 game announced for release. 11 re-releases. Now even though 2 of the spin-offs (neither of which were released in America) don't have Link in (they star Tingle as the main character, so they automatically suck anyway), that's still 33 games which star Link as the main character. I count 4 which star him as a character, but are unlikely to count in the timeline.
if that was true, would you say SSB was in the Zelda timeline? Which would also mean Pokemon, Mario, Donkey Kong... all in the same timeline.
I was going to say I could actually fit Brawl in the timeline. Then I realised I couldn't, due to Toon Link. Then I realised I could, since it's only Subspace that counts, and he wasn't in that. Then I realised it's the Medieval/Sci-fi stuff with Metroid and Lylat Wars, so I gave up.
Post by deathbasket on Oct 22, 2008 12:31:40 GMT -5
Ok, let's be brutally honest. King Elemento, you said you love Zelda. If you love Zelda you would surely want something like this to happen. Like you said, this will probably never happen, and I do agree with that. But, I always like to think anything is possible, and this is such a great idea that I can't allow myself to be pessimistic over it.
If you love Zelda you would surely want something like this to happen.
As always, there will be fans of this idea, and I won't always be there, to convince them otherwise, so the game won't get made, saving the franchise. But hey, it might not ruin the damn thing. I guess if it does get made, it better get made well. I mean, I'd buy it, 'cause it's a Zelda game. But that's no saying much: I intend to get FP:TRRL when I can, 'cause it's a Zelda spin-off.